Forum:Broadcast order vs. Production order


 * Moved from User talk:Topher208. Issues like this concerning the whole wiki should be discussed in the forums.

I've been sifting through the different websites that list the Phineas and Ferb episodes (Wikipedia, Internet Movie Database, TV.com and here). Most of them go by when an episode aired. The exception seems to be Ready for the Bettys, which might have originally been shown on 2/16/08, but was definitely shown on 9/12/08.

If you look at the Production Code, the episodes have a different order. For instance, Candace Loses Her Head has Code 101B, which makes it the second episode. It was originally broadcast 7th. This difference between air order and production code has been noted on some of the episode pages.

Networks sometimes broadcast episodes out of order, and that can sometimes lead to continuity problems. It happened with Kim Possible when Disney had the "Every Possible Episode" marathon. Ron Stoppable talked in one episode about how he enjoyed being the school mascot, and later in the marathon the episode was shown where Ron became the school mascot.

Most Phineas and Ferb episodes are self-contained and usually don't reference previous episodes (Traffic Cam-Caper and Got Game? are exceptions), so continuity problems should be few and far between. However, I think it would be a good idea for us to pick which standard to go by: Production Code order or Broadcast order.

I'm leaning towards Production Code order because this is supported by the credits for each pair of episodes. For example, Disney now shows Are You My Mummy? and Flop Starz together, and if you watch the credits, they're listed together.

RRabbit42 07:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)RRabbit42


 * I was having a hard time when I made the list which order I was going to go by. On the Season 1 page, you can sort by just about any criteria you want. I made sure to figure out how to make them sortable before I made that page. I am also conflicted about the order listed in the infoboxes and other "ordered" boxes/lists. One way we can eliminate the problem is to do what some wikis like Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki, does and link to them both ways. Particularly in Star Trek:The Original Series they had the problem of shows being aired out of order. Take a look at "The Man Trap" and see what I mean. We really should address this. —Topher 19:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. How can we do it like that. Also, if we take a look at the succession box at the bottom of episodes at the DC Animated Universe Wiki, you'll see that it does it like that, where as it has produced and broadcasted. See, for example, the episode "Unmasked". Let's get this continued, so we can finally settle on this, because it's been bothering me for a while. --SuperFlash101 19:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should do both the broadcast order and the production order for the succession boxes felinoel ~ (Talk) 00:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what the links I put have. I agree. --SuperFlash101 01:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should choose either the infoboxes or the succession boxes. It's really quite redundant to have both. If you look, DC Animated has succession boxes, but no episode order in the infobox. Memory Alpha has episode order in the infoboxes, but no succession boxes for their episodes. Let's figure out which one we want to use and then we don't have to double our effort. It doesn't make any sense to have the same information in the two places on the same page. I would also like to add into the conversation that we need to include the episode it was paired with in the subsequent rebroadcasts, i.e. Rollercoaster/Candace Loses Her Head. In all actuality, I'm not even sure how legit the numbering is. It is copied from Wikipedia, so it could be a mistake. The production numbers actually seem to be their re-air episode numbers. It makes sense that they would pair them back up as they were originally written, but things in television broadcasting don't always make sense. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the headings could be wrong on the episode list in Season 1. —Topher 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How about we have the infoboxes doing one type of order and the succession boxes doing the other type, that way it shows both ways of ordering episodes and it won't be too redundant felinoel ~ (Talk) 19:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Or, the infobox can be the aired, and the succession box can be both, like they have on DC Animated. I, also, think that we should order them either only by the actual "order" that it appears in the pro. code, (It can clear things up, like for One Good Scare Oughta Do It!, Candace acts as if this is her first time seeing Suzy, even though this is "way after" the episode we see her first in. This is because the episode is actually episode 11, as seen in the pro. code. This should work.) or we can put the pro. code first in a list and then under it another one as aired. I, for one, rather the first one. Finally, we could, just throwing this out there, have as a succession box the (1) aired, (2) pro. code order, and (3) episode next as grouped with. Let's try to get this settled. Just call me Flash, 'kay? (Talk) 23:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Toph just said that would be too redundant... felinoel ~ (Talk) 00:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So then, just the succession box? What do you guys think about the last thing I said. ~ It's Flash. Super Flash. ~ (Talk) 01:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The method that Memory Alpha and DC Animated Universe are using looks pretty good. Here's a screenshot for reference:
 * [[Image:successionbox.gif]].
 * It covers both situations and would allow us to tidy up the Infobox area a bit. The Succession Box template would have to be adjusted to give us the two-row entries on either side. We can kind of duplicate that right now by repeating the Succession box. Here's an example. (Imagine S'Winter in the middle boxes instead of "Topher208".)


 * RRabbit42 04:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I like the way Memory Alpha and DC Animated Universe fo it, could we do it like that, not like the second exple, but more like theres making it one grouping of info instead of two felinoel ~ (Talk) 04:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)