User:RRabbit42/Talk archive:Chat issues

Archive for older Discussion items relating to the wiki's Chat feature. Added here to consolidate the issues into one place.

Because of the issues brought up in these messages and the Chat Rules and chatmods forum, I worked on a policy and list of guidelines for the chat and an advice page. At the time this archive was created (February 5, 2012), we were finishing up both.

Kick ban from chat and the rights of a true chat moderator
Hello RRabbit42, nice to meet you again, what could a chatmod "do"? Don't understand the situation and "closing eyes" to ban someone imediately with no warning? Is that your chatmod? Or Patrickau's chatmod?

See this prove first: CHAT PROVE FROM PHINEAS AND FERB WIKI CHAT

I come to your wiki chat and express feeling about the unacceptance of an article Phineas and Ferb on Uncyclopedia. Candace is a bitch,... Phineas...(the words are not good). I feel so not nice about that article. When I presented my feelings and take evidence on their words from Uncyclopedia, I got kicked imediately with no warning first or something reason.

But in that case, I was not at fault, and did not need any warnings, I'm not breaking any rules when I share my discomfort thinking about that Uncyclopedia article.

I need an explain from you and explain from your chat moderator.

When promoting some one to be admin or chatmod, you should have hesitated to think about it what you are going to do, thinking about that person history, don't arbitrarily.

With a "wonderful amazing fighting history" with notable member like PFMuffinStrike, the person who "closing eyes" banned me from chat has many "good qualities" with "the trust and admiration" of your admin-Patrickau and a "October 26, 2011"-user MysteriousForce to become a really true chatmod huh? Right, RRabbit42?

I'm waiting to see your explain in this talk page. Who touch me without reason will not be peace where I am.

Oh, well, my history has been marred without reason at all, the Wikia log still shows I'm, or used to be a banned user here.

A Wiki Tester, Aislinghope 06:32, November 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like you got caught in the "no profanity" rule for the Chat. We occasionally have trolls come into the Chat just so they can be jerks, use profanity, or otherwise show they have nothing better to do.


 * I have restored your access to chat. We will have a policy shortly about what's allowed in the chat, but for right now, be aware that we don't like profanity. I see by the screenshot that you were trying reference what someone else had said on Unencyclopedia. Unencyclopedia is a place where people can write whatever they want and hopefully it will be humorous or satire. Sadly, profanity and unkind things are a part of that site.


 * I will need to re-read your message later since I think you're trying to recommend some other people become chatmods. We don't want an excessive number of chatmods, but we do want to give people the chance to help out with this wiki. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 06:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is okay, it doesn't matter, I'm not mad with anybody. About giving chatmod to users, I just recommend you should thinking more closely who you give the rights to. Patience, calm, friendly,... like Bpendragon. A chatmod like a child or young easily gets angry when things happen or a their hater users come. "I have the power, Don't mess at me" like Isabella Lego Liker. But it is okay, I believe you and this wiki will run well. About number of chatmods, I do not mean that, it depends on you and Topher, and the policies of this wiki. I usually follow your wiki activity and I have discovered major of interesting things. So keep up your great work.
 * A Wiki Tester, Aislinghope 09:15, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Dear the "Chat Rules"
Hello RRabbit42, there is a person who are trying to flaunt the great "Chatmod" power in this Wiki. Can you see that? Wikia is a friendly community wiki-farm and so does this wiki.

Why would anyone want to set strict rules when they are holding power? Why, I don't get it. User:Bpendragon/sandbox:ChatRules with rule 1, rule 2, rule 3... rule 19!!! I can't believe this.

We just want to have fun, seize the day and enjoy the best summer ever. Summer, Where do we begin?

About the chatmod, you must recheck them again, not only old users and bad.

Why don't we follow Wikia friendly guide, the friendly Simplified Regulations? Don't apply the strict rules here. We are not feeling good about that! Phineas and Ferb- the best and ever.

♥ Isabella Good Wizard  ♥ So remember, if you wanna get the magical daydream, stay on the yellow sidewalk!... 04:14, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Pertaining to the above
Head over to the IRC and I'll discuss that written above, Planty and AgentGoldfish will as well. -Bpendragon (leave me a mesage) - sadness shall not enter me, for I am an eternal optimist 04:22, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Chatmod again! Check your chatmods!
Hello RRabbit42, nice to meet you again, this the second time I have been kicked/banned in this wiki, so I'm not be happy much when writing to you. This time: Planty The Plotted Plant.

"Planty The Plotted Plant is worse chatmod" (by Agent Goldfish in the chat room). I, some parts of me, totally agreed, after the problem with Isabella and Lego Liker.

Let I ask you the question again, what could a chatmod "do"? Don't understand the situation and "closing eyes" to ban someone imediately with no warning? Is that your chatmod? Or Patrickau's chatmod? Or the adopter's chatmods? Toher208.

Candace and Phineas has been kicked by Bpendragon because of discussion about unnecessary of the chat rules. Then she sent message to you, I told her should "Attack RRabbit and Topher".

"Attack RRabbit and Topher" here doesn't mean "attack", "bully", that is not meaning about the original ways. You and Topher are 2 notable members and so we should "attack" you first, let you know the problem. "Attack" here mean: notice you by important messages, without other chatmods and users.

If the word "attack" here is a discomfort meaning to you. I won't use it.

About kicking JeremyCreek from the chat, I don't care, I just need a respond from Planty, the chatmod who kicked me.

So, with the "attack" meaning, I'm not breaking any rules when I share my advice to Candace and Phineas. The angry thing to me, I got kicked immediately with no warning first or something reason.

I know much, very much about this wiki, the site. My knowledgeable about it is very good, a Sherlock Wiki. I know what should and what don't.

I'm waiting to see your reply in this talk page. Who touch me without the true reason will not be peace where I am, like I said before.

Oh, well, my history has been marred without reason at all, the Wikia log still shows I'm, or used to be a banned user here, and this is the second time.

Patrickau and you have apologized me in the first time, and so I keep happy about that, but this time, it is harder.

About the chat rules, I have more thing to tell you, but the important here, be nice and all good things will come.

A Wiki Tester, Aislinghope 04:31, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * for what I check that "Aislinghope" and "Candace and Phineas" that were taunting the chat rules and here the comment:

8:10 Candace and Phineas:Isabella mortal, not mortal Isabella
 * I don't scare
 * the rules, they are bad

8:10 Aislinghope:rules, what rules? 8:11 Candace and Phineas:Bpen's rules :just only for himself

8:11 KinHikari:o.o'

8:11 Aislinghope:if you want, I can make a big change to this wiki

8:11 Candace and Phineas:no, it is unnecessary
 * thanks

8:11 Aislinghope:okay, suit yourself

8:11 Candace and Phineas:but I will still make a little mind on RRabbit42 :make him know

8:12 Aislinghope:attack Topher too
 * RRabbit and Topher

8:12 PlantyThePottedPlant:...........

8:12 Aislinghope:attack them

8:12 KinHikari:>.>

8:12 PlantyThePottedPlant:That's it

8:12 Aislinghope:let them know


 * RRabbit42, I'll let you decide this matter since it very complicated for to decide since I don't usually go to the chat and I was having lunch when this happened. Patrickau 26 05:47, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

I have been working on other things and dealing with issues at my job, so I haven't been able to look at this yet. But, since it's becoming a problem, I will have to. I will try to start on it after the newsletters. The bonus issue is minutes away from being done. The regular issue will be tomorrow, I hope. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 06:11, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, since you are busy with the Tri-State Gazette I will handle this problem for you. I will have to recheck and re-read everything again to make a good decision and reason to sort this porblem out by the end of the day. Patrickau 26 09:30, January 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Give me a chance? Another chance? You are kidding me right? Unbanned me from chat with reason: Another Chance. What does "Another Chance" exactly mean? You despise me so much, you know? Another Chance, it means that is truly my fault, and I was the bad guy there in the chat room? No, completely no, I say "No". Not only "attack" here is not a joke, but also it is not the original meaning.


 * The chatmods in your wiki kicked me twice, without warning and the reason, But, remember "but", sharing advices and dicussion about the rules and the worst of it are not breaking anything. So "Warning" is useless and blocked by me here.


 * I would like to ask you what is the true chatmod meaning? I don't scare and afraid of any chatmod in this wiki while I'm in the nice position. If I will have been banned by your chatmods again while I'm not breaking rules, what will you do, ban me forever or give me another another another chance? I want this to be addressed publicly.


 * About the rules and the worst of it, I promise I will take care of Bpendragon's rules later, many people seems having a bit afraid of them but I don't care. 19 rules should be removed. Wikia is the friendly community, you shuold not turn it to storehouse of absurd laws. Just follow Wikia' guide and play nice with Simplified Rulesets, they are good and enough.


 * Just two notable members of this wiki, who I would mean to "attack" here?, can give me officially a proper answer only. I am waiting for them, not you, Patrickau! Chatmod, chatmod, chatmod, I doubt about them!


 * Another problem, arguing with the rules deserve to be removed is not guilty, Candace and Phineas has been banned twice with the bad motivation and reason from those bad chatmod. You and 2 chatmod kicking her should explain officially to me. Now she is banned for long.


 * Even though, bad admins could be removed the sysop rights easily, what about bad chatmod?


 * Although what ever it is, The New Chat Rules for this wiki, or just for Bpendragon or Bpendragon's sandbox, whatever, I will lower it down with the good and friendly motivation for the good wiki like this Phineas and Ferb Wiki.

Aislinghope 09:28, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * A Wiki Tester


 * Okay I was there, and as a witness, this guy was having an awkward conversation with everybody, inciting contention and hatred. he obviously has an issue with the rules set by Bpendragon, which were backed by both Topher and Ryan Stoppable.


 * Any visitor is more than welcome to this Wiki, but they need to know they need to abide to the rules, as Wikia gives freedom to Wikis to set rules as they see fit. This Aislinghope guy obviously has an issue with chat mods, if he doesn't like them, then he is more than welcome to stay away from them, or help this Wiki grow, edit in it, be a benefit and in 6 months when he has gained the trust of the community he can counsel with people if rules can be modified.


 * Aisilinghope had a negative impact on an user too, Candace and Phineas that is, as he told her to "attack" Admins. This in common sense for people that speak English means to commit an act of aggression towards another person or entity. Common sense says that, period. If Aislinghope is the source of "wisdom" he believes he is, then why not pick words wisely like he pretends to be instead of talking like a 5th grader?


 * To end my marks, the user Aislinghope is not a benefit for the wiki, as it incites contention and friction among Wikians here, demanding apologies after inciting people to rebel and throw away the rules. Sincerely A True Wiki Tester. 120.138.102.202 05:08, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Please, stop, Mysterious Force, 120.138.102.202 for Indian IP address is useless, I still recognize you, I know you are sad because Isabella Good Witch has banned from chat, so am I, I feel sad too. I'm her helper and I will protect her. I think Aislinghope is trying to bring the bright side of justice to him/her and Isabella Good Witch, I think those rules are bad too, I was the first person who was exciting about Wikia chat, and I noticed RRabbit to enable it on, but now, there are some kinds of people like to add rules for it, I feel discomfort too, Wikia's friendly guide is better. I will be the person who support for removing the chat rules and back to Wikia's friendly guide, the Phineas and Ferb Wiki:Simplified ruleset, Phineas and Ferb Wiki:Chat on this Wiki. Please stop MForce, I don't want to see your comments with other countries' IP addresses, just use your main account to add your comments. •♪•♪•♪• Xiao Qiao   (☎ leave a message ♪ )  06:23, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

I am having problems with my web browser right now, but after I get the main page updated with last month's voting, I am going to look at the proposed rules and come up with a solution. I'm trying a different web browser now, so hopefully the updates won't take a lot of time. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 06:35, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Your chatmods, again

 * This message has been sent to Patrickau, the most active admin

You will see what I can do with your bad chatmods, Agent Goldfish, a good chatmod I know, now kicked me the 3rd time with the reason "Known troll trying to get rid of chatmods. Discuss with me, Planty, IaLL, or Bpen before unbanning by his request". This 3rd time for being kicked makes me angry. The chatmods make this wiki worse.

Aislinghope 06:21, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I've check with the other users here about why "Aislinghope" was kick-ban in the chat that he was doing some intimidating behavior and harassment about the chat rules and to the chat moderator that were there. As re-reading his statement again, I can see why.

However, he might have a point about the rules in the chat that he stated that were a little "overboard" but the others users that were granted chat moderator defend their action by following the rules that kicking him for his behavior.

I'm really about this RRabbit42 for interrupting you busy time for this matter, but since I haven't heard from "Topher208" for a while now. You are the only one that can handle this problem and have knowledge the chatmod. Patrickau 26 07:05, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't been in Chat much because a lot of times, I'm more interested in discussing wiki issues than general socializing. I don't know if this is correct or not, but I also tend to think that it puts a damper on the conversation because other people would think "the admin's here, we better behave".


 * When these types of issues come up, I usually look only at what the dispute is about and not what the people involved in it are saying. That way, it's objective when I make a decision. In this case, we have two parts to the problem: the code of acceptable behavior in the Chat and the people that will enforce that code. After I get the first done I will look at the second. —RRabbit42 ( leave a message ) 16:51, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * "he was doing some intimidating behavior and harassment about the chat rules and to the chat moderator that were there", Patrick, you have no idea what were you taking about. Intimidating behavior and harassment, get rid of wiki. If you was in that chat directly, you would know what are those bad chatmods talking about. I promise, I will take off them down for the justice, for the friendly of this wiki. They said, I provoked them, then I want to be kicked then I write to you, what is a silly idea, I'm not kid and then I'm not doing the way like that. You should know what are they thinking, when want to turn the chat room to their castle, where they are the great kings, with the draconian rules, oh please stop right now, I, along with community, would like to listen to Wikia, rather than listen to sandbox or policy (whatever) of a "+317-edit" user! Aislinghope 04:11, January 8, 2012 (UTC)